Saturday, June 21, 2008

Noah's Children: The "Origins" of Nations (Gen 10)

Genesis 10

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Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

  • These are not all the literal names of their children as we'll see. Some of these names are connected with, and/or literally translate into certain civilizations such as the Egyptians, Greeks, Babylonians, and Assyrians for example. It's amazing what a little research reveals.
  • This is attempting to explain all of the cultures, languages, and even cities. But keep in mind, some of these civilizations, especially the Egyptians, have history and origins stretching back way beyond 4,000 BC.
  • It's amazing the great lengths these authors have went to in an attempt to tie everything together and explain the existence of all these civilizations after the fictional flood that supposedly wiped everyone out effectively making us start all over again.

2The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

  • Japheth is traditionally seen as the ancestor of Europeans, as well as some more eastern nations. However, I find it hard to believe that the "children" of each child of Noah spread to certain parts of the world, and became the different cultures of the world. That is a process that has taken tens of thousands of years, not 4,000 years. If everyone of these civilizations has their own unique language and religions, then it's ridiculous to believe that they all came from one man and from one religion then suddenly decided to invent their own.
  • Gomer- linked to the Cimmerians (Gimirru) of about 800 BC.
  • Magog- has not been definitively linked to the name of any historical entity. However, a few secular historians link this name back to the Scythians.
  • Madai- is linked to "Medes," first appearing in Assyrian inscriptions as "Amadai" in about 844 BC.
  • Javan- This name is said to be connected with the "Ionians," one of the Original Greek tribes.
  • Tubal- Connected with the "Tabali," an Anatolian tribe, and both the Iberians of the Caucasus and those of the Iberian peninsula. (Modern Spain and Portugal.)
  • Meshech- Connected with the "Mushki Phrygian" tribe of Anatolia who, like the Tabali, contributed to the collapse of the Hittites around 1200 BC.
  • Tiras- Usually connected with "Thracians," who first appeared in written records around 700 BC.

3And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

  • Ashkenaz - Linked to the Scythians, who first appear in Assyrian records in the late 8th century. Additionally, in Medieval Hebrew, Germany is known as Ashkenaz, and is the origin of the term "Ashkenazic Jews."
  • Riphath - Possibly linked with Paphlagonians has been proposed, but is uncertain.
  • Togarmah - Some Armenian and Georgian traditions have claimed descent from Togarmah, other authors have attempted to connect them with Turkic peoples.

4And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

  • Elishah- Identifications have been proposed with various Aegean peoples such as Elis of northwestern Peloponnesos or Ellis of Phthia.
  • Tarshish- Variously connected with Tarsus in Anatolia, or Tartessus in southern Spain.
  • Kittim- Usually connected with "Kition" in Cyprus, but name appears in other texts with a variety of interpretations.
  • Dodanim- Usually connected with large Aegean island of Rhodes near the coast of Asia Minor

5By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

  • This says that each of these "children" of Japheth were the Gentiles divided in their lands, each with his own language(tongues), in their nations. This verse confirms that these "children" are actually different nations.
  • It's interesting to note that it says these "children" were born with "their own unique tongues," and basically says that is the attributing reason why these people were divided into their own nations. This is nonsense.
  • If these "children" are literal people who went off individually and are the originators of all their respective civilizations and societies, then incest is unavoidable.

6And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

  • Cush- The Empire of Kush to the south of Egypt is known from at least 1970 BC. This name is also associated with the Sumerian city of Kish. Sumeria predates the supposed flood back to at least 6,000 BC.
  • Mizraim- The Hebrew name for the Land of Egypt. It is a dual suffix with refers to the "two Egypts;" Upper and Lower Egypt. Egypt's history goes back as far as at least 10,000 BC alone.
  • This just goes to show you that all of these "Sons of Noah" are not the literal names of people, but are all the nations known to these people near the time of the writing.

7And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.

  • I'm going to skip linking these people to historical tribes and/or nations. I'm sure you get the point already.

8And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. 9He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD. 10And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.11Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,12And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.

  • Here it actually talks about an actual person, who founds many kingdoms and cities. I'm surprised it doesn't say these kingdoms are his "sons" or that he "begat" them.

13And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.

  • Here it says that Mizraim (which is literally Egypt) "begets" sons. This is simply not the case, and tells you how twisted this chapter really is.
  • All of these names have links to surrounding areas such as Libya, Crete, and Memphis. Memphis (Naphtuhim) was the ancient capital of Lower Egypt.

15And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,16And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,17And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,18And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

  • Here, Canaan "begets" all of these "ites." All of these "ites" are actually cities. It would take a long time for these people to repopulate enough to even have one city. Then it takes even longer for them to eventually divide and start their own cities around the Earth which results in new cultures, languages, and then religions. We're talking thousands of years here, and this chapter is summing it all up like it took place in just a couple hundred years. It does not make sense.

19And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.

  • Here, it describes the borders of the Canaanites. It's interesting to note that one of these borders is Gaza, which dates back to about 1500 BC. This Chapter is going all over in the Biblical timeline compared to the real historical record. The flood supposedly occurred around 2,344 BC if Earth is about 6000 years old as creationists believe. The author of this is skipping up to at least 800 years ahead of it's time if a young Earth is the case.

20These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.

  • Again, languages, writing, countries, and nations take thousands of years to spread and develop, not a few hundred.

21Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.22The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.23And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.24And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.25And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.26And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,27And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,28And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,29And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan.30And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east.31These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.32These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

  • Those verses just sum up more of the same crap.
Basically, this whole chapter is "trying" to account for all the civilizations and languages of the world and trying to explain their migration patterns. It's trying to make it fit in with a story of only 8 people repopulating the Earth after a flood that "supposedly" happened some 4400 years ago.
This chapter alone is defying the ENTIRE history of the Earth and the real history of languages and migration patterns of the human race from the stone age to the introduction of agriculture from the the historical and archaeological record.
It's ridiculous to think that man was created with instantaneously having a language. I highly recommend doing research of your own on human history, language and writing.

Next up: The Tower of Babel in all it's nonsensical glory.

1 comment:

Legend and Lore said...

"Egypt's history goes back as far as at least 10,000 BC alone."
That's not exactly true, most of Egyptian history was arranged by a list of kings and dynasties attributed to by an Egyptian historian named Manethos. Unfortunately Manethos lived in the 3rd century BC and made a lot of those dynasties up. When you get to the bottom of it, Egyptian History only goes back to around 2300 BC